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#163: Women & the Tough Bible Verses

Do you bristle at being called “the weaker sex” or at the suggestion that women should stay silent in church? Have the words “wives, submit to your husbands” ever rubbed you the wrong way? Surely we aren’t supposed to take these scriptures literally… or, are we? Grab your latte and listen in!

Guests: Sarah J. O’Connor & Hannah Nitz

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  • Christine Young

    Thank you Sarah. I have come to this thinking in the past few years. Even in the Old Testament God has used women in a BIG way. We need to be careful not to squelch what God is trying to do through us. Hannah, you hold a special part in my heart aspecially since the time you made sure I got into the Ladie's Confrence when I didn't know how to copy out my ticket. I love, love, love your sparkle. God has given you that. Don't let anyone put it under a bushel. I pray for you & Juli all the time. Thank you for your ministery.
  • Rachele Ackerman

    Thank you for this - so much hurt, confusion. Love the conclusion!
  • Nancy Pone

    Thanks you so much for doing this JwJ! I grew up in a denomination that had some really warped views of women's roles (every Greek word for woman/wife was interpreted as woman...and all women are rightfully in submission to all men in all times and all places...aaaack!) I think we can also be temped to assume that if you interpret something and practice it too conservatively, no harm is done -or not as much harm as if practiced too liberally...but this is not true! Any straying from Gods word has repercussions! And we are all living n total depravity all the time and are all constantly n need of His grace and leading! These passages were catches that I have wondered about my whole life, and wrestled with different interpretations. The church needs dialogue on this if we are to pursue His will for the church and our mission in it.
  • Nancy Pone

    Also...in regard to the ongoing emotional pain women wrestle with after having multiple sexual partners, but men don't....What does that tell us about God...well, I think it tells us more about the curse...Your desire shall be contrary to your husband,and he shall rule over you.” Here, we know what the woman desires, the man will not. Women in general desire committment, emotional attachment, tenderness, and as you have said to have a hero. I think men no doubt suffer consequences of sexual immorality...but those consequences are things our 'secular scientific' community probably don't search for in research...like pride (but a pride rooted in insecurity), lack of empathy, and a lesser view of women becasue they are seen more as means to the end of his satisfaction than a a partner in his life's calling. And all these lead to the inability to engage in emotionally attached and vulnerable relationships. The problem is our society sees that as a good thing instead of a bad thing! That's the verse and 'aha' God brought to me this morning. Would love to know what others think!
  • Katelyn Sawatzky

    If we read our Bibles there are many powerful, influential women that God called to fulfill His purposes through them. Gods calling and purpose in women's lives did not stop there. God does not immobilize and muzzle the people who love him, we are supposed to be obedient to His call on our lives, and this includes women. He is trustworthy and unchanging. He is the same today, yesterday and forever more so we can trust that He has a plan for each and every one of His daughters. Believing women should be silent in the church has done so much damage to the church through creating lost generations of female preachers, teachers, and evangelists who could have championed God's cause but were forced to "zip it". The good news is we can repent as the church, and God can do amazing things through us all as he promises he will do in these last days: Joel 2:28-29 28 “And afterward,     I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy,     your old men will dream dreams,     your young men will see visions. 29 Even on my servants, both men and women,     I will pour out my Spirit in those days. For further study, here are some powerful and authoritative women God used throughout the bible. Again our God is an unchanging God and will do what he did then today: Deborah - Judges 4: the story of Deborah who was a prophetess, military commander, and judge in Israel. The military commander at the time didn't want to go into battle without HER. This is her response: “If you go with me, I will go; but if you don’t go with me, I won’t go.” “Certainly I will go with you,” said Deborah. “But because of the course you are taking, the honor will not be yours, for the Lord will deliver Sisera into the hands of a woman.” Huldah - 2 Kings 22: 3-20 - Huldah was a prophetess who got the job from King Josiah over 4 powerful male prophets from the Old Testament. At that time they had 5 prophets that could have assisted with that position for the king, all available to the king were: Jeremiah, Zephaniah, Nahum, Habakkuk (all 4 men) and Huldah - a woman. She was chosen because she was truly exceptional among the prophets. Esther (she has her own book and saved the Jewish race in her region) Ruth (She has her own book. She is in Jesus genealogical line) New Testament: Junia: Junia was an apostle and was considered outstanding/prominent among the apostles according to Paul. Romans 16:7: (Paul Says) Greet Andronicus and Junia, my fellow Jews who have been in prison with me.They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was. Chrysostom an early church father born in Antioch in 347ad who read and preached in Greek said this about Junia "How great the wisdom of this woman must have been that she was even deemed worthy of the title of apostle!" Priscilla (wife of Aquila) This husband and wife team were kicked out of Rome when emporer Claudius ordered all Jews to evacuate. After this they became aquinted with Paul in Corinth. They ran a church that met at their home and were gifted with the gift of Apostleship Romans 16:3-5 Meet Priscilla and Aquila, my co-workers in Christ Jesus. 4 They risked their lives for me. Not only I but all the churches of the Gentiles are grateful to them. 5 Greet also the church that meets at their house. In the early church, scholars have shown that women had a big role as pastors who lead “house churches”. Pastors were spiritual leaders that nurtured others and helped them grow. Almost all Christian meetings in the early church were held in the private homes of men and women. Among these women, the most well known were Mary, Chloe, Lydia, and Nympha. Mary was the mother of John Mark who opened her house to Peter in Acts. Many assembled at her house to pray for the release of Peter; their prayers were then answered. Chloe, a church leader, solved problems among the Corinthian Christians who were members of her own house church. These believers were under Chloe’s spiritual guidance and protection. She was also a leader who passed along information to the Apostle Paul. Lydia offered Paul her home and her whole household converted and was baptized. Her home was also the first meeting place for the European Christians. Lydia also worked as the head of a dye-making guild; because most of the business was also done in the home, many of her workers were also among her converts. Lastly, Nympha was mentioned in the New Testament when Paul sent greeting to her and her house church. So clearly there were church leaders, and women were extremely instrumental in the early church. Why then did this stop? They had the same writings we do today in our bibles. They simply understood the context of their day and what Paul was saying. Phoebe: Romans 16:1-2 Phoebe was a deacon of the church in Cenchrea
  • Authentic Intimacy

    Thanks for all your feedback, Ladies! You can read more from Sarah at https://sarahjoconnor.com/

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